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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2006, 10:54:37 PM »
Of all the things done, it took something as silly as the flyer scandal to change her mind?  She managed through the burned corpses piling up around her and the sky turning into fire without bat an eye, eh?

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 11:17:16 PM »
her justification, honest, was twofold:

1) "I don't want to just vote the party line."  -- I really did my best to take her apart on this issue.  I more or less succeeded.
2) "...and he's the incumbent and I have no problem with him.  I voted against him 4 years ago."  I assailed this as well but I was fairly stunned and excused myself early to go weep for the electorate.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2006, 09:00:41 AM »
her justification, honest, was twofold:

1) "I don't want to just vote the party line."  -- I really did my best to take her apart on this issue.  I more or less succeeded.

I don't understand.  She was voting in democrats everywhere else, therefore she had to vote for at least one republican?  How about voting for the guy against Van Hellion who got, like, just the vote from his wife, then?

Or did she mean she had no idea what the candidates were for (which, again, gets back to what I said in the post above).

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2) "...and he's the incumbent and I have no problem with him.  I voted against him 4 years ago."  I assailed this as well but I was fairly stunned and excused myself early to go weep for the electorate.

I voted against him before I voted for him!

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2006, 09:06:10 AM »
yeah, basically what you said.  different congressoinal district, tho.
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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2006, 09:09:33 AM »
yeah, basically what you said.  different congressoinal district, tho.


Being Maryland, I assure you that every district had at least one pathetic loser republican somewhere on the ballot which could have been the safe home for a pity vote.  OH AND MAYBE GREEN??
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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2006, 10:12:40 AM »
1) "I don't want to just vote the party line."  -- I really did my best to take her apart on this issue.  I more or less succeeded.

I assume you're not advocating just voting the party line.  Rather you were concerned that she would just vote the party line and then pick governor to break up her monopolistic ballot?

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2006, 10:15:19 AM »
Worst use of the word "monopoly" or any of its derivatives, ever.

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2006, 10:18:08 AM »
Cool!

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2006, 10:27:51 AM »
Fine, fine, I'll rehash the whole convo here.  Earlier in the phone call she got on my case for voting for Green party candidates (and of course those nasty election spoilers who almost ruined VA!!!).  Her "I don't want to blindly vote party line" was fairly blind, having chosen default votes before saving her research for election day.  (She ordinarily ignores politics.)  And she was getting on my case for hurting democrats because I hadn't blindly voted a straight Dem ticket when she voted for Republicans in her attempt to not vote a blind party ticket.  Arghm?  Yeah, we talked a good half hour about it and everything related to it.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2006, 02:50:57 PM »
Oh. Don't let politics in to a relationship. My gf and I are both wildly liberal, but therr are no politics. That just paves the way for petty arguments and retarded "told-you-so" conversations.

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2006, 03:19:11 PM »
Fine, fine, I'll rehash the whole convo here.  Earlier in the phone call she got on my case for voting for Green party candidates (and of course those nasty election spoilers who almost ruined VA!!!).  Her "I don't want to blindly vote party line" was fairly blind, having chosen default votes before saving her research for election day.  (She ordinarily ignores politics.)  And she was getting on my case for hurting democrats because I hadn't blindly voted a straight Dem ticket when she voted for Republicans in her attempt to not vote a blind party ticket.  Arghm?  Yeah, we talked a good half hour about it and everything related to it.

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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2006, 03:28:26 PM »


I WRITED IN EDWARD JAMES OLMOST FOR THE OFFICES AND JUDGING POSITIONS BECAUSE HE ARE EDWARD JAMES OLMOS FOR CRAPS SAKE.


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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2006, 03:34:56 PM »


That man looks like he could govern some serious shit right there.
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Re: 11/7/06: News Article Roundup
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2006, 04:52:31 PM »
Ellison, first elected Muslim US Rep, has announced that, during his unofficial (photo-op) swearing in he'll use the Koran in place of a traditional Judeo-Christian Bible.  The only official swearing-in for the House is a mass ceremony without Bibles or other books.

Here are some bits from articles.

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/20887.html
Quote from: Grant Swank
Muslim Congressman Ellison is Anti-US
 
Keith Ellison, D-MN, is not a ‘patriot,’ though he claims to be. He is a radical Muslim who believes the Koran is above all other documents for it is the divine revelation. That would make the Koran above the United States Constitution.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/1209satlets4-093.html
Quote from: Carl Goldberg
Prager says that there is no American hostility to the Quran. Well, if Americans knew what was in the Quran, there would be plenty of hostility. The Quran contains all manner of calls to theocracy, violence, intolerance, Muslim supremacy and Muslim imperialism.
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Because the Quran and our Constitution are incompatible, Congressman-elect Ellison cannot be loyal to both. It is logically impossible.

After that introduction, today's WP article might not pop your brain.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/08/AR2006120801482.html

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When Keith Ellison, the Minnesota Democrat whose election last month will make him the first Muslim in Congress, announced he would take his oath of office on Islam's holy book, the Koran, he provoked sharp criticism from conservatives and some heated discussion on the blogosphere.

The discussion has revived the debate about whether the nation's values and legal system are shaped only by Judeo-Christian heritage or if there is room for Islamic and other traditions.

"America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress," Dennis Prager, a conservative talk radio host in Los Angeles, wrote on http://TownHall.com. Prager, who is Jewish and serves on the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council, said Ellison should not be allowed to take his oath on the Koran.

"This has nothing to do with the Koran. It has to do with the first break of the tradition of having a Bible present at a ceremony of installation of a public official since George Washington inaugurated the tradition," Prager said in an interview.

But Ellison, who could not be reached for comment, would not be the first member of Congress to forgo a Bible. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.) took her oath in 2005 on a Tanakh, the Hebrew Bible, that she borrowed from Rep. Gary L. Ackerman (D-N.Y.).

"Each of us has every right to lay our hand on the bible that we were raised with; that's what America is all about -- diversity, understanding and tolerance," Wasserman Schultz said. "It doesn't appear that Dennis Prager has learned anything from his time on the Holocaust commission."

Other politicians have departed from the Bible as well. Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle (R) used the Tanakh when she took her oath in 2002, and Madeleine Kunin placed her hand on Jewish prayer books when she was sworn in as governor of Vermont in 1985.

"The books had belonged to my mother, my grandparents and my great-grandfather. I wanted to place my hand on the weight of Jewish history and connect with the generations of men and women who helped bring me to this moment," she wrote on the Jewish Women's Archive Web site.

In 1825, John Quincy Adams took the presidential oath using a law volume instead of a Bible, and in 1853, Franklin Pierce affirmed the oath rather than swearing it. Herbert Hoover, citing his Quaker beliefs, also affirmed his oath in 1929 but did use a Bible, according to the Joint Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt used no Bible in taking his first oath of office in 1901 but did in 1905.

Neither the House nor the Senate keeps record of which holy books, if any, are used in the unofficial ceremonies. In fact, House members are sworn in together on the House floor in a ceremony without any book, holy or otherwise. But in an unofficial ceremony, individual members reenact an oath so it can be photographed.

Still, some conservative Christians have taken Prager's editorial as a clarion call. The American Family Association in Tupelo, Miss., for example, sent out an "action alert" to its 3.4 million members urging them to write their legislators "to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of Representatives and Senators."

Swearing in officeholders on Islam's holy book "represents a change in our society, our culture, if we hold up the Koran as equivalent to the Holy Bible," said association president Tim Wildmon. "If calling the Bible superior to the Koran in American tradition and culture is intolerant, then I'm guilty."

The Anti-Defamation League, a leading anti-Semitism watchdog group, said Prager's views were "intolerant, misinformed and downright un-American," especially since President Bush appointed him to the Holocaust Memorial Council in August.

On Monday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations called on the Holocaust council, which oversees the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, to remove Prager.

"No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policy-making position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society," the group wrote in a letter to Fred S. Zeidman, the council chairman.

The museum, in a statement Tuesday, said Prager speaks "solely for himself."

"Affirming" an oath without reference to God or sacred works is an option the founding fathers provided for in the Constitution to protect the rights of atheists and agnostics, said Eugene Volokh, a UCLA law professor specializing in free speech and religious issues, on National Review Online, in response to the Prager piece.

"Why would Muslims and others not be equally protected from having to perform a religious ritual that expressly invokes a religion in which they do not believe?" he said.

Many say barring Ellison from taking his oath on the Koran would violate the constitutional provision that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Kevin J. "Seamus" Hasson, president of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, said, "It makes no sense at all to have him violate the Constitution in order to affirm his duty to uphold the Constitution."

Religious conservatives make my head hurt.
"If it were up to me I would close Guantánamo not tomorrow but this afternoon... Essentially, we have shaken the belief that the world had in America's justice system... and it's causing us far more damage than any good we get from it."

-Colin Powell